had 2,000 more hits, at 4,256, and isn’t in the Hall of Fame. I thought that Bud Selig was going to look at his case around 5 years ago, but still, no word? When is enough, enough? It’s time to re-enstate Pete back into baseball and make him elibilble for the Hall of Fame. Even if he bet on baseball after he played, as a Manager, that still doesn’t take away from all of those hits he had as a player. He should’ve been a first ballot Hall of Famer. This is just ridiculous. It’s not like he cheated while he played. He didn’t take roids or anything. He had a gambling problem and bet while he was a manager, so what? And if it was a big deal, I think he’s paid for his sins by now. It’s been like 23 years. I think that’s long enough. Please let Pete in before he dies. What do you think?
Born: April 14, 1941 (1941-04-14) (age 70)
Cincinnati, Ohio
Batted: Switch Threw: Right
MLB debut
April 8, 1963 for the Cincinnati Reds
Last MLB appearance
August 17, 1986 for the Cincinnati Reds
Career statistics
Batting average .303
Hits 4,256
Home runs 160
Runs batted in 1,314
Teams
As player
Cincinnati Reds (1963–1978)
Philadelphia Phillies (1979–1983)
Montreal Expos (1984)
Cincinnati Reds (1984–1986)
As manager
Cincinnati Reds (1984–1989)
Career highlights and awards
3× World Series champion (1975, 1976, 1980)
1973 NL MVP
1975 World Series MVP
3× National League Batting Champion (1968, 1969, 1973
17× All-Star (1965, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1985)
2× Gold Glove Award winner (1969, 1970)
Silver Slugger Award winner (1981)
1963 NL Rookie of the Year
1968 Hutch Award
1969 Lou Gehrig Memorial Award
1976 Roberto Clemente Award
Major League Baseball All-Century Team
Holds numerous other records and achievements
MLB Records
4,256 career hits
3,562 career games played
14,053 career at-bats
you’re comparing gambling to what OJ did (Murder). Major FAIL
Pete Rose will not be inducted into the HOF as long as he lives. They will never give him the satisfaction of accepting the honor and giving a speech.
One rule. There is just ONE rule major leaguers have to follow. Just one. And that idiot couldn’t do it. He doesn’t deserve the Hall, pure and simple. He thought he was bigger than the game and he wasn’t. By your logic, if OJ had been found guilty of murder they should have released him anyway, because he had such a good record. Rose should be considered in about 450 years. And then rejected.
i 100% agree. Bud was just on the losing side of those bets i bet you. That why hes mad lol
Gambling in uniform is gambling in uniform. You can try to make all the excuses for it you want, but it’s the one rule you cannot break. And he broke it. Banned for life is the punishment. Banned for life he stays. And deservedly so.
Pete Rose DID use PED’s. He used illegal drugs to increase his performance, illegal amphetamines. Steroids are not the only PED’s that have been used in baseball. Amphetamines are illegal drugs used to increase performance. They are now banned every bit as much as steroids just not talked about as much. Pete Rose also bet on baseball. Pete Rose will never be in the HOF and never should be. When you start letting guys like Pete Rose in MLB becomes the WWE with fixed results. MLB can not allow players or managers to bet on the game or things like the Black Sox world series will become common place.
Peter Edward Rose SHOULD have been a first ballot Hall of Famer. But he chose to do the only thing that would carry a PERMANENT banishment from the game. So the reason Peter Edward Rose is not in the Hall of Fame is Peter Edward Rose. He made is own bed. Let him lay in it.
THis is what I think.
It’s nice to see your compassion for Mr. Rose.
I’m sure he would appreciate your thoughts.
Yes, he should have been a first ballot Hall of Famer.
Yes, he had a gambling problem and bet while he was a manager.
You think he’s paid for his sins by now.
It’s been like 23 years.
You think that’s long enough.
You say let him in before he dies.
Not sure how OJ gets into a rationale discussion on the subject of Rose.
Rose accepted a lifetime ban from baseball, which disqualifies him from even being on the HOF ballot.
It’s too bad Rose has all the playing records but whose character couldn’t prevent him from gambling on games. You may recall he also stonewalled the investigation. You also recall Rose cheated on his income taxes and is a convicted felon for tax evasion – serving time in a Federal Penitentiary.
Let him in before he dies.
You’re comparing someone who broke a Cardinal Rule in baseball to what it took for Ron Santo to finally get into the Hall literally after he died. Now THAT was a very Major FAIL.
Now let me start off by saying that there are always rules people need to follow, and it’s inexcusable to intentionally disobey those rules.
But the Hall of Fame is designed to recognize the greatest ball-players of all time, and Rose is clearly one of the best. So they’re basically shunning all of his great accomplishments because he simply broke a rule. I don’t care what punishment they give for disobeying the so-called “Cardinal Rule”, but don’t completely ignore his legendary career. The greatest players of all time need to be recognized.
On the other side, I do realize what gambling can do to baseball. I wouldn’t want to be a fan of a sport where I have to wonder if the game was rigged when something out of the ordinary happens. So for everyone who breaks the gambling rule, I think it’s correct to punish them to a fairly severe degree, but I don’t understand the point in ignoring his accomplishments. Come on now.
Hey, why don’t you argue for the reinstatement of Buck Weaver first? We KNOW he didn’t bet on games. He’s actually INNOCENT.
He needs to be reinstated before Rose.
“When is enough, enough?” is better asked of the pro-Rose apologists and groupies. How many decades before they surrender this futile fight? Or, at the very least, TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT than just crabbing away from their keyboards — a method which, after 22 years, I think we can proclaim a proven failure for effecting material change to Rose’s status.
Rose’s on-field performance is not the reason he is not in the Hall. Such an argument is nonsensical, and really not worth pursuing. Worth noting, however, that neither was his playing career sufficient grace for ignoring the special damning circumstances he brought upon himself which DO obviate his Hall eligibility. It works both ways.
Anyone who thinks Rose’s gambling transgressions happened only after he took his last at-bat* is woefully naive. Dowd never substantiated the claims and didn’t need to, but there is evidence that Rose bet during his last few playing seasons, and sketchier indications that his gambling stretched WAY back into his playing career.
Rose could, possibly, EARN a second chance. It never is going to be handed to him. Fans whining about his fate (that he wrought with his own acts, and agreed to by his own signature) really are not helping the cause.
ps. Rose’s sentence is “permanent ineligibility”. When “permanent” expires, he’ll have served his time. We’re not there yet.
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* He struck out against San Diego’s Goose Gossage, ending the bottom of the eighth (while pinch-hitting for the pitcher) in a 9-5 loss to the Padres, 17-August-1986.
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